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for many, many years both of the tax consistent with spending. and nobody ever put the debt ceiling or the u.s. willingness to pay its obligations on the table in the way it was placed in the summer of 2011, and the way here it is now being placed on the table again. it's a big mistake and 2011 to create this degree of uncertainty and fear in the u.s. and around the world and the big mistake to do it again today. >> why would any good thinking patriotic american want to use the debt ceiling as a vehicle to reduce spending rather than the other legislative opportunities it would have? what would the reason be? certain not to embarrass the united states of america. >> i have no idea, mr. rangel, but i can tell you that -- >> well, if you don't have any, then maybe it is the objectives of this president at whatever cost, some leaders our so-called leaders have said, that they want to stop this president and the were unsuccessful in that measure. so maybe, maybe they decided to change tactics and maybe this discussion is a necessary and we find some of the way to a handle on the deficit
investors to build roads, the olympic facilities, et cetera. at the same time tax evasion and tax cuts for the rich did not allow, did not allow us to have a balanced budget all previous years. and so, therefore, when the markets crash in 2008 both spain and greece were heading on the road towards disaster. in spain, just like in ireland, the housing market crashed, prices still, people ended up with homes that were worth less than their loans. many people went bankrupt. when banks started having problems, the government intervened and took on its debts in this way, both banks and government went bankrupt. increase, the government directly went bankrupt because it was the one that had borrowed to a very high degree after words. the governments that had lent money to the state also went bankrupt. and afterwards investors themselves went bankrupt. very soon if the entire country had gone bankrupt. due to the structure of the euro zone where countries without a central bank behind them needed -- bailout of the banks and where the banks needed to continue lending money to bankrupt states,
, they found good order and discipline stated tax, that affects the unit commanders were relieved not having to handle cases anymore. i would like to encourage you to speak with your counterparts at the u.k. to see how their system works and see if we would be better served moving in a system like that. i yield back. >> dr. lindstrom. >> i'm encouraged to hear you say there is a training session for new recruits before they go to dmt and i think that's very hopeful. i guess my question is how do we get to recruits to fully understand or believe that reporting bad behavior will be supported by the leadership and will not harm them, that they develop the trust and notice that's the right thing to do. what might be her suggestions beyond not? >> very challenging. a printer basic military military training as well, not if most of them are sent, but at the air force we do the same thing, so that in that position and understand fully with these trainees think about this environment and how challenging it would be, looking back at my time and experience to talk about things like this. sometimes it'
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